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Post by beebs on Apr 23, 2011 11:43:14 GMT -5
I can't remember where I read this, but made a note and thought it worth sharing.
Caprylic acids (high content in coconut & palm oil) and Endecylenic (castor bean oil) acids belong to the saturated fatty acids chain.
Natural Anti-fungal's
Saturated Fatty Acids
Undecylenic and caprylic acids are common medium chain saturated fatty acids used to treat yeast infections. Both are found naturally in the human body in small amounts. Common commercial sources of caprylic acid are palm and coconut oils, whereas undecylenic acid is extracted from castor bean oil.
Using either those are as effective as using pharmaceuticals. Undecyclenic acid was favored before anti fungals brigade from Big Pharma! Undecyclenic acid can still be found in some commercial products and can even be prescribed.
The dosage is caprylic acid 3600 mg per day taken with meals for a month. Same for Undecyclenic acid, but at 1000 mg daily. (Divide doses throughout the day) for a few weeks.
As a side note. I took Triphala (organic in powder form) and within a month, it got rid of my toe nail fungal infection, and three months later, the nail was back to normal. Gone was the bluish/purple/black color. Triphala is an Ayurvedic mix containing compounds from three Asian fruits. Powerful, YES, toxic, NO, but for us who suffer from ADRs, some of you might be sensitive. It purifies the blood, anti bacterial, anti viral, anti fungal, helps with digestion and other infectitious pathogens. It contains alkaloids, tannins and more.
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Post by jmanuel on Apr 23, 2011 17:11:43 GMT -5
Hi Beebs,
I was wondering if it is possible that all my food/chemical intolerances are related to a fungal infection in my gut? What are your thoughts?
I would like to try the Caprylic acid, but I fear that because I am intolerant to Salicylates, I may not be able to take the caprylic acid. What to do?
Thanks so much for all your valuable information.
Jill
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Post by beebs on Apr 23, 2011 18:05:47 GMT -5
Hi Beebs, I was wondering if it is possible that all my food/chemical intolerances are related to a fungal infection in my gut? What are your thoughts? I would like to try the Caprylic acid, but I fear that because I am intolerant to Salicylates, I may not be able to take the caprylic acid. What to do? Thanks so much for all your valuable information. Jill Hi Jill: although you are intolerant to salicylates, remember, that each compound works in synergy with other compounds in individual foods, fruits ... Often, I found that I may react to Salicylates in one food and not the other. I still can't tolerate sulphur, yet, I was able to take MSM which has high content of sulphur!! I am unable to eat or smell lemons, yet, I have no reaction to dry lemons. I was not able to eat other foods with Salicylates, but could tolerate french string beans. You may be able to eat chicken roasted, without the skin (high in alanines) but unable to eat chicken in soups, boiled, and so on. I could eat roasted only. The smell of boiling or cooking chicken in a soup, would bring me a rash. This is why I mentioned that it is best to try, if you have no reaction to the smell, such as tingles in lips, rashes, etc.. About the caprylic acid, it is worth a try. I tried fresh coconut (able to tolerate for about two weeks), coconut water, and coconut virgin oil. The latter is tolerated on and off. Whenever I try something, put a tiny pin head quantity and put between the gum and lip. Leave there for about 15 mins. If you have no reaction, then leave in the mouth on the tongue for another 10 mins. If you tolerate, swallow. Up the portion till you reach your own tolerance level, over a period of a week or so. I can eat a few chick peas (for protein), but not more than about five or six. I can usually tell by the smell if I will react or not. Its unfortunate, because, I can almost smell all the various compounds, and learned how to discern. I read a paper about some of us having reverted back to some primitive stage, whereas humans would use their sense of smell to discern what is poisonous to them at the time. In short, the olfactory bulb and neurosensory cells and the nerve fibers could be dysfunctional/damaged. Avoidance, time, learning how to discern what to avoid, self control and discipline with foods are helpful. Sadly, there is no quick fix, only time and patience. As for having a fungal infection, it is possible. I had candida in all orifices. It was oozing out my eyes at one point. I no longer suffer from this. Its is pointless spending lots of money on tests, they are not reliable. I read once, that if spit in a glass, when you first wake up, lots of saliva, as much as you can. Leave for about 20 mins, and if it froths, you have candida in the stomach. I am sitting on the fence on that one. Its all connected, and as for our symptoms, there are several approaches, including the immune system, avoiding meds if possible.
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Post by jmanuel on Apr 25, 2011 8:45:37 GMT -5
Hi Beebs,
Sorry for the delayed response. I have not been feeling well at all. Wow, fungal infection coming out of your eyes? Yikes! Did this happen after taking a FQ? How did you control it?
Thank you for all the food tips. I guess I just need to try as many things as I can to determine what is good and bad. I know that broccoli, basil, coffee, almonds are not good for me. I'm just so overwhelmed with all of this right now. It has come down to me only using baking soda to wash my hair and teeth. Dreadful! Did you get to this extreme at any point? Will I be able to bounce back at all? I can't live a normal life right now. Please read my other post to Namid and let me know of any experiences that may have helped you. How can I help the depression that is sinking in? Have you tried any detox or chelating? Have you seen anyone recover from this ADR over the years? Feeling desperate!
Thank you for all your support Beebs.
Jill
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Post by beebs on Apr 25, 2011 16:50:00 GMT -5
Hi Beebs, Hey Jill, Sorry for the delayed response. I have not been feeling well at all. Wow, fungal infection coming out of your eyes? Yikes! Did this happen after taking a FQ? How did you control it? It happened within a year or perhaps two of the ADRs. The candida was everywhere including my mouth, eyes. I can't remember exactly, it was about 10 years ago. It went away, eventually!!
As for the toe nail fungus, I took Triphala which is essentially compounds from three different fruits, containing alkaloids, tannins and more. It went away completely. No recurrence, two years later.Thank you for all the food tips. I guess I just need to try as many things as I can to determine what is good and bad. I know that broccoli, basil, coffee, almonds are not good for me. I'm just so overwhelmed with all of this right now. It has come down to me only using baking soda to wash my hair and teeth. Dreadful! Did you get to this extreme at any point? Will I be able to bounce back at all? I can't live a normal life right now. Please read my other post to Namid and let me know of any experiences that may have helped you. From 2002, till about two weeks ago, I was only able to eat: pears, apples, edam cheese, lamb, beef, chicken on/off roasted mainly, celery, goat cheese on/off, bananas (no more), water, apple juice, and apple juice with passion fruit, and a couple of other foods, such as olive oil , pumpernickel organic bread from Germany, and probably missed a couple.
For the last two weeks, I can eat cucumbers, buckwheat, one type of algae, Himalayan pink salt but not sea salt, cabbage (on and off for a while now), peas (a few) chickpeas (a few), raisins, oats, drink lemon tea made with dried lemons, fresh ginger sliced in hot water, jasmine tea (on/off), rhubarb (a little) and maybe a couple of other things.
I am able to eat tamarind (from Mexico or Asia) soaked in warm water, is easily digested, and good for constipation. to my delight!! High in Vitamin C and potassium, I can't eat bananas and potatoes (higher in potassium). I found out that leaves of beetroots are the highest in potassium, I will try this soon.
I couldn't brush my teeth, not even with baking soda. Some of my symptoms are weird. Actually, the smell of baking soda once, worsened my symptoms. Be careful with that, although as Namid said, many have been helped too.
Overall, eat only what you can tolerate for now. As I wrote, although, I can't tolerate sulphur in foods, I could take MSM, and same for other compounds, sometimes, I can tolerate in one food but not the other. Likewise for chemicals, shampoos and soaps. I could never find out what was the trigger. Do no wear perfume, or color your hair etc..How can I help the depression that is sinking in? Have you tried any detox or chelating? Have you seen anyone recover from this ADR over the years? Feeling desperate! Thank you for all your support Beebs. Jill[/quote] Yes, I totally understand how you feel. Lets keep optimistic. Most do improve, very few of us suffer as severely. I do suffer from malnutrition, but with the few added few foods I now can eat, I am hoping to repair the damage. Its very very rare, and I doubt it will happen to you too.
For the last few months, I am drinking warm water, for many months, and recently, was able to add dried lemons and fresh ginger. I could not detox, since I was allergic to most things, even to my own bowel movement, and gastic juices. It was horrible.. I had rashes during bowel movements.
Two years ago, I saw a functional MD, not much help and an Ayurvedic doctor. The compounds she prescribed were fine, some I could not tolerate at all. It was helpeful at first, but then, I could no longer tolerate those either.
There are so many ways of detoxing, such as taking bentonite clay for instance, but then, you will have to replenish your minerals. Or fir sauna. There is a good site you may want to take a look at: www.chemicalinjury.net/
I have some info on detox which I will put up under the Detox Category later.
In any case, harsh detox should be avoided right now. Best to choose a gentle and long term detox. Many have worsened with harsher detox. That another discussion, I didn't try charocoal, personally. I would probably react to that too. I know many who tried charcoal, spirulina, chlorella etc..
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Post by jmanuel on Apr 27, 2011 0:25:57 GMT -5
Hi Beebs,
I am feeling better today. Thank you for all your kind words. Great to hear that you are adding things to your diet. It must feel really wonderful!
I would love to hear about any detox tips. If you read my other post, I'm considering a colon cleanse of Caproyl, Bentonite, and psyllium. Is this considered to be a harsh detox? I do want to take things slowly. I am pretty sure I have a yeast problem that needs to be taken care of.
Jill
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Post by beebs on Apr 27, 2011 4:17:44 GMT -5
Hi Beebs, I am feeling better today. Thank you for all your kind words. Great to hear that you are adding things to your diet. It must feel really wonderful! I would love to hear about any detox tips. If you read my other post, I'm considering a colon cleanse of Caproyl, Bentonite, and psyllium. Is this considered to be a harsh detox? I do want to take things slowly. I am pretty sure I have a yeast problem that needs to be taken care of. Jill As I mentioned in a previous post, Bentonite clay is the least harsh. As for Caprylic Acid, watch out if speeds up the metabolism, in particular if you have thyroid issues. Some report tachy when taking this. As for psylium, healthy for digestion. Thumbs up, keep up with your own research, and share with us. Some of us are little jaded, ;D and not quite up to date. You may consider taking a modulator for your immune system, closely link to digestion and infections. There are some good products out there such as Allimax, www.allimax.us/ and AHCC. ahccresearch.com/I took pure fresh organic Triphala and it got rid of my fungal infection. Triphala, takes care of the digestive system, immune system, hepatic etc... an all rounder. I took it for over a year, with a few weeks break. It works, slowly, but it works and is non toxic. Some take it daily during their lifetime to keep the whole system function at optimal level. A recent published paper show it can also be used for radiation. All I am doing at the mo, and its working fine, is drink lots of hot water with dried lemons, hot water with fresh ginger, and ha ha, a type of breathing which expels toxins (and its free). Research show that when doing specific type of yoga and Qi Gong breathing, it reduces oxygen consumption and releases significant amount of Nitric Oxide. Does it work, well, it does if you practices daily Will load up the detox page in the next few days.
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Post by jmanuel on Apr 29, 2011 10:49:40 GMT -5
Hi Beebs,
How did you treat your systemic fungal infection? I have burning in my ears, eyes, and other areas on my body. Yikes! I really do believe that my body is being overwhelmed with candida.
Please help!
Jill
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Post by butterfly on Apr 29, 2011 12:19:06 GMT -5
I tried Oil of Oregano in the past. It made me very sleepy and I flet a tad worse the next morning. Nothing major. Oil of Oregano has a strong oder. It does make you sleepy for some unknown reason. Maybe I had a little of herx the next morning.
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Post by jmanuel on Jul 2, 2011 13:05:40 GMT -5
Hi Beebs, Nadim, and everybody.
Hope all is well for you. I just want to give an update and look for some more advice. I got back a comprehensive stool analysis and hepatic detox profile. The stool analysis shows the following:
Beneficial Bacteria Lactobacillus. no growth Escherichia col 4+ Bidifobacterium. 1+
Additional bacteria Alpha Farmington Streptococcus Non-pathogen 3+ Citrobacter analonaticus. Potential pathogen 4+
Mycology. No Growth
So, I have no Lactobacillus bacteria and have too much bad citrobacter amalonticus growth.
They recommend the following for treatment: Antibiotic: Tetracycline Trimethoprim
Natural agents: Bernadine Oregano Plant tannins Uva-Ursi
I've been taking a probiotic, but very reluctant to try anything else due to my severe phenol, salicylates, oxalate intolerances. Do you think that oil oregano might be an option for me? This is so difficult.
My hepatic profile show a sluggish phase 2 pathway.
Also, are these tests reliable? Someone from another board called it quackery. I am feeling much less sensitive now which is good, MCS wise. I got a new organic latex bed and air conditioner and did not react to them. I was able to eat some peas and a bit of garlic the other day. So things are improving, but my gut is always upset to a certain degree. Maybe because of the overgrowth...
Do you think I might be able to handle any of the natural remedies to treat the overgrowth? It is a bacteria that everyone has naturally in their bodies. Thanks again for your guidance and support!
Wishing you wellness,
Jill
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2011 23:48:33 GMT -5
Hi Jill, nice to hear from you again. I know not much about the Citrobacter. I looked it up and I found the following at wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrobacter..."Clinical significance These bacteria can be found almost everywhere in soil, water, wastewater, etc. It can also be found in the human intestine. They are rarely the source of illnesses, except for infections of the urinary tract and infant meningitis and sepsis.[3][4]" This quote above I found at several places in the net "C. freundii strains have inducible ampC genes encoding resistance to ampicillin and first-generation cephalosporins. In addition, isolates of Citrobacter may be resistant to multiple other antibiotics as a result of plasmid-encoded resistance genes." I am glad that you are no longer so extreme sensitive and that your body is calming down. If you want to test oregano, I would smell at it at first. If you get a reaction, you have to stay away. A friend of mine is able to tolerate it and uses it often to treat things. I am not able to tolerate it. Detoxification pathway I (for example CYP450) and pathway II ( for example GST M1) are part of normal medical knowledge and has nothing to do with "quak medicine".
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Post by beebs on Jul 3, 2011 15:11:58 GMT -5
Hi JillHope all is well for you. I just want to give an update and look for some more advice. I got back a comprehensive stool analysis and hepatic detox profile. The stool analysis shows the following: Beneficial Bacteria Lactobacillus. no growth Escherichia col 4+ Bidifobacterium. 1+ Additional bacteria Alpha Farmington Streptococcus Non-pathogen 3+ Citrobacter analonaticus. Potential pathogen 4+ Mycology. No Growth So, I have no Lactobacillus bacteria and have too much bad citrobacter amalonticus growth. Difficult without a ref range, and what protocol did the lab follow? What is their interpretation?They recommend the following for treatment: Antibiotic: Tetracycline Trimethoprim Natural agents: Bernadine Oregano Plant tannins Uva-Ursi I've been taking a probiotic, but very reluctant to try anything else due to my severe phenol, salicylates, oxalate intolerances. Do you think that oil oregano might be an option for me? This is so difficult. Am not sure its that simple to restore gut flora by taking antibiotics or just herbs. Killing the surplus of "bad" bacteria would kill the "good" bacteria?
Have you tried prebiotics foods?
And enhance your immune system?How did it work out with probiotics?Interesting info which shows that most of us have those bacteria textbookofbacteriology.net/normalflora.htmlAre you suffering from a severe and acute infection with those?My hepatic profile show a sluggish phase 2 pathway. Also, are these tests reliable? Someone from another board called it quackery. I am feeling much less sensitive now which is good, MCS wise. I got a new organic latex bed and air conditioner and did not react to them. I was able to eat some peas and a bit of garlic the other day. So things are improving, but my gut is always upset to a certain degree. Maybe because of the overgrowth... I had food poisoning a few years ago, from under cooked chicken, severe abdominal pains, nausea, diarrhoea, sweats and shivers etc.. It took over a year to resolve. I took nothing... Perhaps I would have tried some Ayurvedic compounds or herbs, I don't know. I couldn't tolerate anything.I read somewhere, that cloves is a good antibacterial, specially for food poisoning. Put in all cooking foods and drink fresh cloves in tea for a week was the recommendation. Do you think I might be able to handle any of the natural remedies to treat the overgrowth? It is a bacteria that everyone has naturally in their bodies. Thanks again for your guidance and support! Wishing you wellness, Jill Its really difficult. Personally, I would eat prebiotics foods, and foods that help restore pancreatic and stomach enzymes, and eat soft digestible foods, no raw foods or juicing at this point, it will cause inflamma of the stomach lining. Enhance the immune system to stop those critters proliferate, and approach from integrative perspective. I don't think that taking a bullet approach to "killing" the over growth of some bacteria is the answer, since it may kill the good ones, and deplete the immune system.I took Triphala an Ayurvedic mix of compounds from three fruits, high in tannins. It got rid of my toe nail fungal infection (not returned two years later) candida, and other gut infections. Its also a blood purifier, helps the digestive system, viruses, bacteria and other infections pathogens, and is helpful for all all other systems.
Its a gently remedy, that is effective to detox, but it takes about three months. Its given to children and the elderly because its well tolerated.
If you read the article in the link provided, you will see that we all bacteria in the digestive system, all over the body in fact.. its only when some proliferate, does it then cause serious sometimes life threatening symptoms!!
As for CYPs being quackery, I can't think of more moronic and ignorant statement. Medications carry information about which CYPs are used to metabolize in medical doctors handbooks!! Its basic pharmacology, ;D
There are several areas of contention concerning CYPs testing, the main being that most of any population have polymorphisms in those CYPS,ADRs, medications causing 6 out of 10 deaths in hospitalized patients, causing mitochondrial damage, leading to diabetes and other chronic illneses! Not forgetting that any prescribed medication will be effective for less 10% of any population.
Adding here, that recently, a healthy population in Russia was found to have absent GSH lol... what can I say?
There is no doubt from years of reading, meeting patients in hospitals, seeing their deterioration and ever increasing list of medications, that medications should be avoided at all costs. I was told I would die on several occasions, even last year during two heart attacks, if I didn't take clot busters and other drugs. Well, I am still breathing. and dare I say, improving. Recently, I read that those very drugs I was offered during the two separate heat attacks have been found to cause even higher mortality rates!! I will post this finding under the cardiovascular thread. Of course, there are occasions, when a drug may be life saving, and even, statistics are quite low as for the effectiveness of these drugs.
I know this stance sounds radical, it works for me, and many others out there...
Insulin is a good example of how it causes damage to heart valves, heart attacks and more. Every person I met who is on insulin suffered this fate. If only they had read in depth about diabetes, and may be even linked it to an early prescribed drug. Read in depth about the lack of knowledge concerning various theories about diabetes, explored other options....
Adding here there was slight improvement, following ADRs, until, I was poisoned with thallium, then contrast dyes, antibiotics and other meds I was pumped with during the first two heart attacks two years after ADRs.
Glad your MCS is improving.
Keep us posted and be careful not to over do it with the digestive system and intestines. I have seen some over zealous on other forums about getting rid of worms, parasites and bacteria depleting the lining of mucosa, causing even more issues.
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Post by jmanuel on Jul 4, 2011 6:22:49 GMT -5
Hi Beebs and Namid, It's so nice to hear from you both. Thank you for all of your information and advice. What would I do without the two of you!! I've been trying a few various things. I found a probiotic that I seem to tolerate by custom probiotics. It's a 6 stain variety and very potent. I'm taking 100 billion a day. Can't tell if it's really helping or not, but it is the purest one I could find. I have also tried a very small amount of sauerkraut and it didn't seem to agree with me. I think I'll try keifr next. Ive been eating a ton of yogurt. I was also thinking about taking some digestive enzymes. What are your thoughts? I think the problem is that I can't tolerate prebiotics right now. You're right about also loosing the good bacteria if I try to eliminate the bad. Do you think if I tried tanalbit it would cause more problems? They say it really helps with digestion and food intolerances. Check out this link.... www.intensivenutrition.com/faqtanalbit.htm I know the overgrowth is pretty bad I believe. The test shows that I have the highest level of overgrowth. My stomach and intestines feel hard as a rock, which might indicate that I have a thickening of the walls in my gut from the bacteria. Yikes!!! I'm thinking of trying some supplements to try and tame the beasties. I've learned that biotin, b6, and zinc are really helpful. I tried a little taste of a b complex the other day and it didn't seem to agree with me. I'm not sure why. What brand of triphala did you use? Maybe I'll give that a try. I'm meeting with a holistic clinic next week. I hope they can take a more integrative approach to help me. I'll keep you posted. I'm glad to hear you are improving too! Keep that heart healthy and strong. It's a very big one:) Jill
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Post by beebs on Jul 4, 2011 14:27:39 GMT -5
HI Jill: Great link you provided about Tanalbit. Its seems good, and I hope you can tolerate. Triphala contains tannins, but in smaller doses, hence, takes longer to work. I use to be able to tolerate biotin, B6 and Zinc, but stopped all vits, supps and Ayur compounds about a year and a half ago. Good choice though. Careful with B6 or P5P if you are hyper/hypothyroid and suffer form low blood sugar. I am sure you are well informed Its difficult to tolerate and metabolize B complex if the digestion is not optimal. I would avoid at this point, it can congest liver, which stores Vit Bs up to six momths. Perhaps when a little stronger? Keep well.
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