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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2011 13:07:20 GMT -5
Hi Piglet,
Medical qi gong is wonderful, when I can afford going. He really knows how to cut down the pain that I am having around my abdomen (mainly liver). But like you, it fades within a few days.
Some things that have helped are drinking ginger tea and juicing a combo of green apples, lemons, beets, and fresh ginger root . I am also going to try some peppermint oil in warm water. My doc suggested that I try that too.
Also, I have a chi machine and vibrational machine. The chi machine I have belonged to my dad. He used it for his neuropathy. Since his passing, I decided to try as I read many benefits other than to treat neuropathy. The vibrational machine is expensive, but we picked one up off of Craig's list at a greatly reduced cost.
Anyway, they both help increase circulation to my abdominal area, among other places too. They both cut down on adbominal pain, along with other aches and pains as well. It also helps increase energy and sometimes will calm my CNS issues as well.
Where I don't think these machines are cure-alls, they help with calming issues as I heal.
Lastly, I am going to see a alternative gastro doc in Oregon next month in conjuction with a homeopathy located here at home. A patient I have made contact with uses both and has had huge success not only with herself, but the rest of her family members. Her son has autism and has healed 100% and no longer has the autism diagnoses. I will post if they give me anything that helps. Lately, I have been having severe gastro issues, 4 year post floxing. As this has flared, my other floxing symptoms have flared as well.
Healing qi to you, Shell
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Post by piglet on May 10, 2011 21:40:02 GMT -5
Thank you for all the suggestions! I keep hearing how great ginger is for just about everything. I bought some organic fresh ginger root at the store, I will try it but I am concerned I don't know how much to take, side effects if I take too much etc.
I wish I had a qi machine, or better yet I wish I had my Qi Master living in my house and that he would help me heal everyday, for free.
I had a nasty relapse from hydrolyzed protein aka msg last week. It made everything worse and gave me NEW neuro symptoms on top of all the 100's I already have. So I understand your flare situation.
Thanks again for your help, it is much appreciated, good luck with those new doctors you are going to see.
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Post by beebs on May 11, 2011 13:32:20 GMT -5
Hi shellbell & Piglet:
In regards to receiving Qi sessions, it does not last more than three days. Its only sustainable if you learn Qi Gong, practice moves, healing sounds and "Standing Meditation" daily. Its the same for everybody. If you don't do those, the positive effects from the session will wear off after three days or so.
I am doing all those, and receiving "Qi" once a week. All Qi practitioners I met, have been consistent in saying this, adding here, that it will take me two years or so to regain sustainable recovery, and continue to practice thereafter.
It does not feel like a chore, in fact, I miss it very much if I don't practice. It a little like going to the gym everyday, and miss one day, except that its on a much deeper level. Healing Qi to you both.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2011 23:26:15 GMT -5
Hey Beebs,
This is the problem with our qi gong master. When asked about learning the moves, I have been told that I need to sign up for classes. The last time I was there, I was told that he doesn't have time for this individually. This was discouraging and I haven't returned since.
Unfortunately, he is far away for me to be running back and forth to see and we don't have many grandmasters around here in Southern California, maybe 2. They are both quite expensive per hour rate.
I love how I feel after a session, but have often felt the same following acupuncture treatment by a very good, knowledgable practitioner and my insurance will pay for that.
Qi back to you, Shell
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Post by piglet on May 13, 2011 9:14:04 GMT -5
Hi Shell, When I asked for them to show me "moves" they were very complex and they would not allow us to video record it. It was really impossible to take notes, we tried but, let's face it, it's not the same. Especially given the language barrier. Also they laughed at me when I tried to do it. I found this all very annoying and upsetting.
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Post by beebs on May 13, 2011 14:19:09 GMT -5
Hi Shell, When I asked for them to show me "moves" they were very complex and they would not allow us to video record it. It was really impossible to take notes, we tried but, let's face it, it's not the same. Especially given the language barrier. Also they laughed at me when I tried to do it. I found this all very annoying and upsetting. Hum, the only moves I was taught, was how to shake my hands with arms by my side. First with palms relaxed, then facing down, then facing side of the legs, Its on the You Tube channel, and as for breathing, its breathing in and exhaling slowly, long and slow (also on YT). That is all he showed me, nothing else. I am practicing those at least ten times or so daily. All I can say is that it works. The breathing which is very simple, and takes no effort, releases nitric oxide (toxins), and since practicing, o longer black stuff coming out my nostils, phlegm is clear instead of black/brown/green and the angina from inhaling highly polluted air, is imp The other things I am learning from Kenneth Cohen's book. As for learning Qi Gong itself, I will enrol in a class when I am stronger to maintain and sustain. This could take a year or perhaps more. The above is free and effective in combination with a simple meditation/visualization which I learn from Cohen's book. Sorry, if I keep on about this. I am sharing an alternative paradigm to what healing and curing is about. It takes self discipline, and motivation to achieve. The evidence is that it works, and has a high success rate, is non toxic, non invasive, as long as there is application. I could not imagine going one single day without doing those moves now. It took a little while to "feel" the benefit and the "feel good" factor. Same for the Ki-Kou breathing revised by a Chinese neurologist. It appears to have a high success rate, providing the breathing is done several daily according to the health issue. The Ki- Kou breathing is thousands of years old, and seem very effective too, providing its appropriate. I tried it once, and it made me very ill. I could not breathe normally for a few hours. I read afterwards from another source, that particular breathing is unsuitable for those with cardiac illnesses. I should have done my work before doing it. An MD was sent home die with internal bleeding. After five sess, the doc is now up, does what the Qi Gong GM said to do, and is now up and about, fit enough to undertake travelling!! Now the MD, was on deathbed three weeks ago... I have also met those who were totally bedridden, now attending Qi Gong classes, one woman in her eighties, was cripple with arthritis, bedridden for two years. She now attends classes! I met those people and listened and learned. It will take time for me, two years at the most. I was told this by several Qi GMs. Having been ill for 14 years, with serious life threatening health issues will not heal overnight. So much damage, but still, I know that I am on my way to recovery. Two years or so, is nothing comparing with 14 years of hell. Two more years, perhaps, less, is worth it. There is a variety of breathing exercise for whatever health issues, such allergies, cardiac, tinnitus, hormones, diabetes, chemo, cancer and the list is long... I am enthralled by what I see, feel, and witness, by those, who are totally dedicated, get well, heal, and those healthy students who go daily to Qi Gong classes, from all ages and socio economic backgrounds, radiating with health. I want some of that too...
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Post by piglet on May 13, 2011 22:23:43 GMT -5
Do you have a link to the you tube video that shows the moves you describe with the hands? shaking etc? I can't understand how to do it but maybe if I see it...
Also, what is the breathing you do? how does it go like? It would have been nice if my master had shown these simple things to me that have so much helped you. Instead of laughing at me when I could not do their 33 part sequence of events.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2011 23:17:59 GMT -5
Hey Piglet, I had a feeling his moves were too complicated. And to laugh at you, is inexcusable!! How rude!
While there with a friend, the assistants would practice in front of us many times. They would say, this is what you have to learn. It was more like martial art moves, then healing moves.
The only time I got anything out of them was one of the assistants, who told me the GM was too busy to teach me, told me to breath 8 counts in and 8 counts out. He was very unsure of himself. Later I found out he had only been working there for 3 weeks and was just starting training under the GM. For me, this "breathing technique" was nothing new that I hadn't already learned from various practictioner and have already been doing variations of over the last 4 years.
It just goes to show you that experience and style vary from place to place. The healer can make it or break it. I really think as far as finding someone here like your GM Beebs, isn't going to happen here. There are a couple of Qi Gong schools here, but they tend to more the martial arts and teach various classes without individual sessions being offered. I would really like to learn the moves from an actual GM like you have for my own individual condition. I would love to read and learn, but how do I know if I am choosing the right moves for me?
What is frustrating to me is that I feel like our GM doesn't show us the moves because he is getting us to rely on him to gain our energy, instead of boosting our energy through him and keeping it going at home through our own moves. I suppose this is his way to keep the money coming!
In my opinion, and based on my own expriences, I would rather see a good Chinese acupuncturist, then to see a Master from a school here. I have seen two excellent acupuncturists this last year and plan on starting up again.
You are lucky Beebs to be where you are and where the practice of qi gong is more wide spread. The other GM here charges $250 - $350 per session. The next closest one is a 10 hour drive from here.
Beebs, I am so glad you are finally healing. You so deserve this. It is always nice to hear of another alternative way of healing.
Healing Qi to you both!
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Post by beebs on May 14, 2011 8:31:41 GMT -5
Do you have a link to the you tube video that shows the moves you describe with the hands? shaking etc? I can't understand how to do it but maybe if I see it... Also, what is the breathing you do? how does it go like? It would have been nice if my master had shown these simple things to me that have so much helped you. Instead of laughing at me when I could not do their 33 part sequence of events. An event that is taking place in several large cities in the US, including Oregon and San Diego. Look up the Cities index. I would give anything to be able to attend: medicinebeginswithme.com/program.htmlLook at the prog, and look all the cities this even is due to take place. I know a couple of floxies who are attending in their own cities. I strongly recommend that you guys, all of you floxies, and others to attend. I have no financial ties with the organizers, my only interest is to share what I have seen work, even with those dying. As for the breathing and simple hands vibrating, I already sent you the link and did the breathing on the phone with you both, what more can I say? As my GM said himself, he teaches uber simple one hand position, placing palms up down and by side. and one very simple breathing and most people don't do it. Its too simple, lol Add to this drinking lots of warm water during the day, and occasional dried limes and fresh ginger. Eat only fresh foods at home, nothing that's packed or processed, go to bed earlier, and a simple meditation/visualization which I already explained a few times a day, plus of course the sess. The "Qi" from the sess as you already know will only last two or three days max, to sustain it, we have to do those simple shake/vibrate hands, and the breathing, as well as life style modifications, and the aforementioned. My GM is flying to New York early June, if anyone is interested, email me. His competence is known world wide. His commute and expenses are paid for by many worldwide (including dying doctors), Germany and Switzerland, USA, the Far East. Again, I have no financial ties, and have to pay for my sess like everyone else. SIGH Adding here, that finding a good GM, seeing my GM, or attending events such as the one above, will save you lots of money. I wish I had found such chinese healing years ago, which would have saved me from bankruptcy, loosing my home, and financial hardship! Even though, I still have to make lots of sacrifices to pay for my sess, I see this as an investment. Eventually, I will be able to study/work, and earn a living again. PS. as for the rudeness, I too was stressed out by it, to the point of wanting to find another. I understand that the gap in culture is so wide, that often, what is construed as rudeness to us, is not to them. I am reading a book about Chinese culture, history, etc. I have several Chinese friends (from China, Tawain, Thailand, Malaysia) and they explained that its the way it is. For instance, if you have a large nose, they may call you "Big Nose", or if you are fat, they will say, you are too much work, because you are fat and so on. No longer stressed by what I construed as being rude, and difficult. either I mirror the behavior and feel better for it, or just ignore it.
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Post by piglet on May 14, 2011 10:05:21 GMT -5
Oh, I forget much, don't remember the specific link you sent, will look for it in inbox. next time I will have to record the breathing technique. I can't remember now, remember some, not all....meant no trouble or annoying reiteration, often can't remember multiple idea, sequence etc even if it seems simple to others.
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Post by beebs on May 14, 2011 10:25:27 GMT -5
Oh, I forget much, don't remember the specific link you sent, will look for it in inbox. next time I will have to record the breathing technique. I can't remember now, remember some, not all....meant no trouble or annoying reiteration, often can't remember multiple idea, sequence etc even if it seems simple to others. I see .....
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Post by piglet on May 14, 2011 20:04:22 GMT -5
Yes, I know YOU do, they did not.
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Post by beebs on May 16, 2011 19:12:30 GMT -5
Back on track about liver pain. Read about black radish, wondering if anyone tried this to help cleanse the liver? What about drinking fresh juiced red beets two or three times daily? And artichokes? Or ?
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Post by piglet on Jun 1, 2011 23:26:21 GMT -5
Coptis with Bupleurum at nighttime and Gentian with Bupleurum in the morning? Chinese bitters used to help stimulate the gallbladder/heal the liver. Anyone tried this? Anyone heard of these? Do they work on floxed livers etc? I have only been able to find Gentian and Bupleurum here: www.sensiblehealth.com/Products-bitters.xhtml¤cy=usI cannot find Coptis and Bupleurum, so if anyone knows a good source that would be helpful. The area which I live has no Chinese doctors, otherwise I would seek their help directly. I don't want to try only half the protocol so I hope someone knows of something or somewhere I can get this stuff... thank you
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Post by beebs on Jun 2, 2011 7:16:41 GMT -5
Coptis with Bupleurum at nighttime and Gentian with Bupleurum in the morning? Chinese bitters used to help stimulate the gallbladder/heal the liver. Anyone tried this? Anyone heard of these? Do they work on floxed livers etc? I have only been able to find Gentian and Bupleurum here: www.sensiblehealth.com/Products-bitters.xhtml¤cy=usI cannot find Coptis and Bupleurum, so if anyone knows a good source that would be helpful. The area which I live has no Chinese doctors, otherwise I would seek their help directly. I don't want to try only half the protocol so I hope someone knows of something or somewhere I can get this stuff... thank you Don't know about those herbs. Worth looking at the chemical compounds contained in those two, and also look at which CYPs metabolize. If you know which compounds make you ill, and if those two contain same compounds, as well as which CYPs, you can then decide if it will work for you. Have you tried Milk Thistle, Sylmarin? I can't tolerate those and prefer to steer clear way from herbs for the time being. I read that Vit C IV (or oral) is good for detoxing liver as well as raising glutathione. I am doing neither. Black radish is good for liver regeneration and detoxing. Beetroot juice a few times a day, several times a day. There are several protocols worth looking out. Some I know who tried Dr Pall's report success. Anyone else tried liver detox formula successfully? Which protocol? Keep us posted
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