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Post by myrnawearshats on Apr 26, 2011 17:53:57 GMT -5
Is anyone aware of a vitamin or vitamins which can mimic estrogen or increase estrogen levels? I had been taking a long list of supplements to try to minimize/reverse the effects of fluoroquinolone induced tendinitis/neuropathy and had to stop because I had breakthrough bleeding on my birth control. I'm on the pill to control ovarian cysts and endometriosis and am not willing to risk having another cyst rupture, the pain of the endo and the months of recovery that all took the last time. There was clearly something in the vitamins I was taking which caused the bleeding. I've gone about 4 days now with no supplements and it's dying down some, but I'm still cramping and spotting. The only info I could find was that excessive doses of Vitamin C could be the culprit so I reduced that (though I wasn't taking an excessive dose of it) and it didn't solve the problem. Any insight would be appreciated as I'd like to be able to continue taking the vitamins which are not causing the issue. Thanks.
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Post by beebs on Apr 27, 2011 4:34:47 GMT -5
Is anyone aware of a vitamin or vitamins which can mimic estrogen or increase estrogen levels? I had been taking a long list of supplements to try to minimize/reverse the effects of fluoroquinolone induced tendinitis/neuropathy and had to stop because I had breakthrough bleeding on my birth control. I'm on the pill to control ovarian cysts and endometriosis and am not willing to risk having another cyst rupture, the pain of the endo and the months of recovery that all took the last time. There was clearly something in the vitamins I was taking which caused the bleeding. I've gone about 4 days now with no supplements and it's dying down some, but I'm still cramping and spotting. The only info I could find was that excessive doses of Vitamin C could be the culprit so I reduced that (though I wasn't taking an excessive dose of it) and it didn't solve the problem. Any insight would be appreciated as I'd like to be able to continue taking the vitamins which are not causing the issue. Thanks. WoW: have a few questions for you... Have you read what your contraceptive pills contains, the pharmacology etc...? I don't take them, precisely, because they mess up hormones. Where is the evidence that those contra pills prevent endo and ovarian cysts? Have you now an ovarian cyst? (had one rupture + internal bleeding for a few days). As for endo, I met one who was seeing the Ayurvedic practitioner for this. She was given compounds to shrink it, and she was fine. Apparently, if it can be tackled with those compounds, only in its early stages. Which vitamins and the dosage? Keeping an open mind here, never heard of vitamins causing cramps and bleeding. Those I know who have similar are taking the pill or using a coil. If that was the case, it would be known, and used for spontaneous abortions. Some herbs for this purpose, but vits???
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Post by myrnawearshats on Apr 27, 2011 6:33:41 GMT -5
I think you misunderstood me; I'm taking the vitamins/supplements for the fluoroquinolone poisoning.
Yes, my entire left ovary is covered in cysts though fewer than before and my right ovary is now nearly cyst free after having been on Loestrin 24 since July. Both were completely covered when the cyst exploded at the end of June. I've also not experienced any endometrial pain since beginning this -- until this break through bleeding. So, this treatment does seem to be working, albeit slowly, for me.
This is what I had been taking before the bleeding began:
Vitamins & Supplements
1. B-12 - 500 mcg 2. Garlic - 1000 mg 3. Cranberry Concentrate - 2000 mg Vitamin C - 100 mg Vitamin E - 3 IU 4. Raw D-3 - 2000 IU Raw Food, Probiotic & Enzyme Blend - 285 mg (Chlorella, Saccharomyces boulardii, Protease, Phytase, beta-Glucanase, alpha-Galactosidase, Hemicellulase, Cellulase) Raw Organic Fruit & Vegetable Blend - 150 mg (Organic Strawberry, Cherry, Blackberry, Blueberry, Raspberry, Beet Juice, Carrot Juice, Spinach Juice, Broccoli Juice, Tomato Juice, Kale Juice, Red Cabbage Juice, Parsley Leaf Juice, Brussels Sprouts Juice, Green Bell Pepper Juice, Cucumber Juice, Celery Juice, Garlic Juice, Ginger Root Juice, Green Onion Juice, Cauliflower Juice, Asparagus Juice) 5. B Complex - Vitamin C - 300 mg Thiamin - 15 mg Riboflavin - 10.2 mg Niacin - 50 mg Vitamin B-6 - 5 mg Pantothenic Acid - 10 mg 6. Raw Calcium - 756 mg Vitamin C - 50 mg Vitamin D-3 - 1600 IU Vitamin K-2 - 100 mcg Magnesium - 386 mg Boron - 3 mg Silica - 2.2 mg Stronium - 3.8 mg Vanadium - 68 mcg Raw Probiotic and Enzyme Blend - 75 mg (Saccharomyces boulardii, Protease, Phytase, beta-Glucanase, alpha-Galactosidase, Hemicellulase, Cellulase) Raw Organic Fruit & Vegetable Blend - 20 mg (Organic Strawberry, Cherry, Blackberry, Blueberry, Raspberry, Beet Juice, Carrot Juice, Spinach Juice, Broccoli Juice, Tomato Juice, Kale Juice, Red Cabbage Juice, Parsley Leaf Juice, Brussels Sprouts Juice, Green Bell Pepper Juice, Cucumber Juice, Celery Juice, Garlic Juice, Ginger Root Juice, Green Onion Juice, Cauliflower Juice, Asparagus Juice) 7. Ionic Magnesium - about 250 mg 8. Milk Thistle - 175 mg 9. B-1 - 100mg 10. E - 200 IU 11. Joint Support - Vitamin C - 100 mg Niacin - 25 mg Pantothenic Acid - 25 mg Manganese - 10 mg Glucosamine Sulfate - 1000 mg Chrondroitin Sulfate Complex - 100 mg Boswellia serrata extract - 100 mg MSM - 100 mg Turmeric root extract - 50 mg Bromelain - 25 mg Grape seed extract - 10 mg Quercetin - 10 mg Ginger root powder - 50 mg L-Proline - 50 mg
Daily Totals:
1. B-12 - 500 mcg 2. Garlic - 1000 mg 3. Cranberry Concentrate - 2000 mg 4. Vitamin C - 550 mg 5. Vitamin E - 203 IU 6. Raw D-3 - 3600 IU 7. Raw Food, Probiotic & Enzyme Blend (a) - 285 mg 8. Raw Organic Fruit & Vegetable Blend - 170 mg 9. Thiamin - 115 mg 10. Riboflavin - 10.2 mg 11. Niacin - 75 mg 12. Vitamin B-6 - 5 mg 13. Raw Calcium - 756 mg 14. Vitamin K-2 - 100 mcg 15. Boron - 3 mg 16. Silica - 2.2 mg 17. Stronium - 3.8 mg 18. Vanadium - 68 mcg 19. Milk Thistle - 175 mg 20. Pantothenic Acid - 35 mg 21. Manganese - 10 mg 22. Glucosamine Sulfate - 1000 mg 23. Chrondroitin Sulfate Complex - 100 mg 24. Boswellia serrata extract - 100 mg 25. MSM - 100 mg 26. Turmeric root extract - 50 mg 27. Bromelain - 25 mg 28. Grape seed extract - 10 mg 29. Quercetin - 10 mg 30. Ginger root powder - 50 mg 31. L-Proline - 50 mg 32. Magnesium - about 636 mg 33. Raw Food, Probiotic & Enzyme Blend (b) - 75 mg
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Post by beebs on Apr 27, 2011 11:34:42 GMT -5
I think you misunderstood me; I'm taking the vitamins/supplements for the fluoroquinolone poisoning. Yes, my entire left ovary is covered in cysts though fewer than before and my right ovary is now nearly cyst free after having been on Loestrin 24 since July. Both were completely covered when the cyst exploded at the end of June. I've also not experienced any endometrial pain since beginning this -- until this break through bleeding. So, this treatment does seem to be working, albeit slowly, for me. Reply: Sure, I gathered the vits and supps were to help with FQ toxicity.Glad that your med is working with the cysts and endo.
Meanwhile, did you look at the pharma compounds of the med, and asked on women's health forums if it can trigger bleeding?
I looked at your vits and supps regimen, and one that comes to mind is Boswellia Serrata, which incidentally is used in Ayurvedic Medicine. One of the side effects is that it can induce menstruation... boswelliaserrata.org/boswellia-side-effects.html I was looking at it a while back, when I was offered the Boswellia by Ayurvedic doc.
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Post by myrnawearshats on Apr 28, 2011 16:53:45 GMT -5
Oh! Thanks so much! I wish it was in something other than the joint support supplement, but that's great to know. I'll try getting back on the other stuff minus the joint support and seeing if that works. I really appreciate your help.
I haven't posted on any women's forums, but I emailed a homeopath with a women's health-centric site who has a q & a section and never heard back and my googling didn't turn up anything helpful, either.
I'll let you know if this works. Thanks again!
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Post by pierce on Apr 30, 2011 12:33:16 GMT -5
My blood tends to get too thin at times. I can't take aspirin for this reason and also it aggravates my tinnitus.
I see several on your list. The garlic, vitamin e, grape seed extract, and MSM may play a synergistic role in causing bleeding. At least for me they have. I cut back a bit on the MSM, take smaller amounts of gse, very little vitamin e ( a little goes a long way) and have noticed much less bleeding. Other things to watch out for are gingko and fish oil as they thin the blood.
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Post by beebs on Apr 30, 2011 15:35:19 GMT -5
My blood tends to get too thin at times. I can't take aspirin for this reason and also it aggravates my tinnitus. I see several on your list. The garlic, vitamin e, grape seed extract, and MSM may play a synergistic role in causing bleeding. At least for me they have. I cut back a bit on the MSM, take smaller amounts of gse, very little vitamin e ( a little goes a long way) and have noticed much less bleeding. Other things to watch out for are gingko and fish oil as they thin the blood. Good that you spotted those vits that thin the blood. Aspirin is known to trigger tinnitus, its in one of the PubMed papers, and also, perhaps on Drugs.com, am not too sure. There are other meds, and changes in altitude, atmospheric pressures etc which can exacerbates. Did you notice that too?
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Post by james harden on Apr 30, 2011 16:58:13 GMT -5
Hi,
Was wondering what natural supplements / vitamins are safe and effective in treating tendon / joint pains for Fq toxicity? Anyone have any recommendations?
Thanks, James
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Post by pierce on Apr 30, 2011 18:13:31 GMT -5
Beebs, do you have tinnitus as well? I've noticed that using a UVB lamp (which most put of a little radiation) affects my tinnitus as well as things like Tylenol (not as bad as aspirin though) and stress. The cell and the wifi are seeming to cause some amplification of the tinnitus as well. But that is a whole other story. I have been affected drastically as of late as my stepdaughter wants to keep her cell on lots.
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Post by myrnawearshats on Apr 30, 2011 21:47:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the heads up, pierce.
The garlic can be eliminated. And the e reduced. But the other two are in other compounds I'm taking. It looks like I'm going to have to find a new joint support pill.
And I haven't been paying much attention to vitamins for joints specifically because the vicodin seems to take care of about half of that pain for me whereas nothing so far has worked for the nerve pain. But I'm sure someone else here will have suggestions about that.
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Post by beebs on May 1, 2011 3:32:52 GMT -5
Hi, Was wondering what natural supplements / vitamins are safe and effective in treating tendon / joint pains for Fq toxicity? Anyone have any recommendations? Thanks, James Hi James: I will post collected data over the years in the Musculosketal section. I disagree with those who think there is no cure for floxie joints. Many I know who went the holistic path,(patience) improved. On the other hand, takinging so called pain killers/analgesics, will delay nerve fibers regeneration, and cause even more damage to the nerve fibers. This is my own observation & MHO. It takes a long time to heal, few don't, ending up with atrophied limbs. Take in condsideration that many take medications, and that those can also cause damage, we need to make a distinction, between primary injuries from antibiotics and other medications taken POST ADRs... Looking at the history of those with broken bones, torn ligaments, ruptured tendons, in particular, athletes,(excluding those suffering ADRs). their injuries often ripples in pain/discomfort, no matter what approach. Anecdotal - those I know with such injuries, although recovered, often developed lifetime weaknesses at the site of the injury. There is no one magic bullet for joints... but they CAN and do heal, even if they don't reach previous baseline/optimal level.
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Post by beebs on May 1, 2011 3:42:52 GMT -5
Beebs, do you have tinnitus as well? I've noticed that using a UVB lamp (which most put of a little radiation) affects my tinnitus as well as things like Tylenol (not as bad as aspirin though) and stress. The cell and the wifi are seeming to cause some amplification of the tinnitus as well. But that is a whole other story. I have been affected drastically as of late as my stepdaughter wants to keep her cell on lots. Hum, the tinnitus is not as severe now. Rarely - a swooshing noise, or cricket sounds. I disabled WIFI and don't use use other bluetooth technology. Not using halogen lights, UBV, fluorescent etc...
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Post by pierce on May 1, 2011 6:29:54 GMT -5
myrnawearshats, I've known several who have have tried acetyl-l-carnitine(ALCAR) for neuropathy and swear by it. I take about 600 mg every morning w/coffee on an empty stomach and could not go a day without it. But I don't use it for neuropathy, rather for the brain and energy boost. If you decide to start using it, its not that expensive. I get it in bulk and the cost comes out to be about .55 cents a month. If you went to Wal-Mart and got it, that would be about $4.80 a month.
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Post by myrnawearshats on May 2, 2011 1:31:51 GMT -5
pierce, what's the relationship between N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine (which I've been advised elsewhere to take) and Acetyl-L-Carnatine, if any?
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Post by pierce on May 2, 2011 6:30:20 GMT -5
No relationship other than the acetyl group. I've tried NAC for its highly purported ability to boost glutathione but could not tolerate its effects on my heart's stroke volume. It seems to make some hearts beat a little harder thinking that there is not enough oxygen in the bloodstream and over time this could lead to enlargement of the heart. To make sure that it was nothing imagined, I have tried NAC a total of four times over five years and each time, without fail, I have a disturbing shortness of breath and heavier heart beat for 24 hours.
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Post by beebs on May 2, 2011 14:40:47 GMT -5
No relationship other than the acetyl group. I've tried NAC for its highly purported ability to boost glutathione but could not tolerate its effects on my heart's stroke volume. It seems to make some hearts beat a little harder thinking that there is not enough oxygen in the bloodstream and over time this could lead to enlargement of the heart. To make sure that it was nothing imagined, I have tried NAC a total of four times over five years and each time, without fail, I have a disturbing shortness of breath and heavier heart beat for 24 hours. Ineresting, I read that if glutathione is low and if enzymes dyfsunctional, the body's own mechanism uses different network pathways. Have you tried boosting glut by eating avocados, artichokes and other foods which naturally boosts? A while back, I was taking un-denatured whey protein, called ImmunoPro. Some articles discuss the validity of taking it longer than six months. But then, again, pea protein is much cheaper and would it not also raise glut? It contains large amounts of amino acids and other nutrients...
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Post by myrnawearshats on May 2, 2011 14:53:58 GMT -5
Hmm. Well, that sounds kind of scary. I'm glad you've stopped taking it.
I'm not experiencing that side effect from it, but I can't claim to be noticing any decrease in joint/tendon/muscle (or nerve) pain from it either. However, it may be one of those things which takes time to build up in the body.
My understanding is that it's supposed to be taken with 3 times the normal amount of vitamin C and with trace metals, both of which it depletes for some reason.
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Post by pierce on May 2, 2011 16:36:46 GMT -5
beebs, I have not yet tried the food for boosting glut but am seriously considering giving it a try. I just read your reply to me in another thread and in the context of Qi Qong (sp?) you had mentioned something about SODzyme. Now if boosting the endogenous antioxidants will help with my radio wave sickness, I am more than willing to give it a shot. Quite frankly, I feel like the walking dead right now. Beebs, what are your thoughts on GliSodin? Never taken it myself but am considering it as well.
myrnawearshats, I've also heard that taking a lipid encapsulated version of Glutathione is very beneficial at raising the levels since it absorbs directly into the walls of the small intestine.
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Post by myrnawearshats on May 2, 2011 17:13:01 GMT -5
I'm wondering what's most helpful in the long run, taking glutatione directly or supplements which encourage glutathione production, whether just having it in there encourages the system to increase self-production or if taking a supplement that increases production prompts the system to take over on its own.
Wishing I'd paid more attention in my science classes now.....
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Post by starting2live on May 7, 2011 18:35:01 GMT -5
I really think NAC has helped me a LOT.
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Post by myrnawearshats on May 15, 2011 17:51:56 GMT -5
I've stopped taking all the supplements and notice no difference whatsoever in my levels. Unless you consider the aggravation of swallowing 45 capsules a day a pain which I do.
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