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Post by jmanuel on Jun 10, 2011 4:32:39 GMT -5
Hi Beebs. Hope all is well with you. I have a question about a medication that my EI doctor has prescribed. It is bismuth citrate. Do you know anything about this medicine? It is a peptol bismol like medicine. I only had one meeting with this doctor to date. He is running stool tests, IgE, liver function, and various blood tests including Lyme. He gave me a good probiotic along with the bismuth to try and heal the gut. He said the bismuth would clear out anything that's in the gut. Apparently, if you have Lyme disease you should not be taking this. Some people have died from the IV bismuth. I don't know if I have Lyme as of yet. Please let me know if you know anything about this medicine. I don't want to make my MCS worse.
Thanks so much,
Jill
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Post by beebs on Jun 10, 2011 14:06:18 GMT -5
Hi Beebs. Hope all is well with you. I have a question about a medication that my EI doctor has prescribed. It is bismuth citrate.
Could you ask him WHY he prescribed this to you? Which compounds in it works on what exactly?
If you read about the compounds, you will see that there is nothing in it that will help repair the gut.
As to get rid of infectious pathogens in the gut, an immune system modulator is helpful.
I took Triphala, which is an Ayurvedic compound. It got rid of candida and other infections. It works over a period of time, but is very effective nonetheless. I was also prescribed other Ayurvedic compounds along with the Tripahal.
I would not take this in a million years. Loaded with aluminium, reduces stomach acid, which you may be suffering from anyway, will cause havoc with lungs, and can cause pneumonia, heavy on kidneys and liver!!! WoW, am speechless.
These meds can't be stopped abruptly one you start and are on it for a while. it has to be weaned off it. From all I read, its has no value other than creating more health problems.
Sorry to be a stick in the mud again.
I took Raditine (similar, can't remember the spelling), and Zantac, and Prilosec, all caused me worse symptoms. That was in the early days of the ADRs, when I was too ill to look it up.
There are much safer to help the gut. Most of the digestive problems we suffer from are linked to the ANS, very much functional.
As for probiotics, no way would I take this either.... Its up to you.
If you want to improve good digestion best to eat prebiotics foods, and if you can tolerate to make your own kefir, eat kimchi etc.. Natto is very good too.
Avoid raw food, steam or boil till easy to digest. Right now, your digestive system is similar to that of a baby, eat baby foods, home made of course.
Then work up to more difficult foods to digest. Avoid legumes, beans, and other foods heavy on the digestive system.
if you can tolerate, pawpaws are an excellent source of papain enzymes, pineapples, boiled sweet potatoes etc..
It will take time to repair the damaged gut.
Do you know anything about this medicine? It is a peptol bismol like medicine. I only had one meeting with this doctor to date. He is running stool tests, IgE, liver function, and various blood tests including Lyme.
I had similar issues with LD diagnosis. Its known that when we take antibotics it depresses the immune system. It can also trigger dormant infectitious pathogens. In many cases, it can EBV (mono), CMV, HHV-6 and more.
LD is very difficult to diagnose. Spinal taps have little value. HIgh rate of false pos and false neg, Elisa Test has no value unless it a few weeks after exposure. If I remember correctly, spinal for LD is aobut 50% specificity.
Igenex Lab do more refined PCR tests, but they are not 100% reliable either.
You may be aware that lyme spirochestes curl up in corkscrew shape when under assaults from antibotics and burrow deeper into cells. Notoriously difficult to treat. Again, I would say to enhance the immune system.
I know many who took antibotics for many years, causing themselves to suffer serious ADRs. They continue with the antibotics regimen putting their ADRs symptoms down to "herxing" the die off from the b.bur
I know some who who are infected, taking Astralagus enabling killer cells to do their jobs.
As for myself, its difficult to say if I have LD or not. The symptoms are so like any other infections, joints, cerebral organs and so forth.
in truth, any honest doctor would tell you that the symptoms you describe could attributed to many other diseases, as I was told by an honest doctor once, rare breed.
He gave me a good probiotic along with the bismuth to try and heal the gut. He said the bismuth would clear out anything that's in the gut. Apparently, if you have Lyme disease you should not be taking this. Some people have died from the IV bismuth. I don't know if I have Lyme as of yet. Please let me know if you know anything about this medicine. I don't want to make my MCS worse.Thanks so much,
I can't give advice. All I can say is that if it was me, I would not take it. From all I read bismuth does not heal the gut, quite the contrary. If there is the slightest suspicion that you may have LD, then, is it not best to avoid? There is plenty of info about it. In fact, there was an article a few months ago, about doctors chuckling when little old ladies would walk in asking for renewal of prescription of their Prilosec, because its addictive. If I find the article, I will send it to you. I didn't look up what causes the "addiction"...
MCS is also the result of overload of NO and other ROS, taking those meds would increase it, IMHO...
I would ask hard questions to this IE doc, and read up on anything he suggests.
Wishing you well.
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Post by jmanuel on Jun 10, 2011 20:56:51 GMT -5
Wow! That is scary. Why would he prescribe a medicine with heavy metals? It doesn't make sense. You are right about not knowing if I lack acid or have too much. It could cause a lot of problems taking a med that might suppress acid when I might actually need it. Please tell me why you would avoid a probiotic? I have been eating a lot of yogurt and that seems to help. I've taken probiotics before and didn't seem to have a problem. This EI doc also wants me to take milk of magnesia for a stool test. I looked up the ingredients and it contains inactive amounts of bleach. I wonder if this might cause a problem. Any thoughts? I called Phillips and they said it is in such trace amounts. I'm not sure what type of LD test they ran, but I bet it's not the most sensitive one. I don't think my EI doctor is up to speed. Need to watch him like s hawk I guess.
As always, thank you for your feedback. Take care, Jill
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2011 10:22:18 GMT -5
Hi Jill, it is not easy to find a good doctor. They may have a good knowledge but you always need to look at the treatment with your common sense. In addition what may help others must not be good for you. So the most important thing is to listen to your own body. Best wishes to you Namid
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Post by beebs on Jun 11, 2011 13:01:34 GMT -5
Wow! That is scary. Why would he prescribe a medicine with heavy metals? It doesn't make sense. You are right about not knowing if I lack acid or have too much. It could cause a lot of problems taking a med that might suppress acid when I might actually need it. My GP offered and suggested the same as your EI, and offered those on prescriptions. I told him the same as I told you, he didn't insist. As it happens, it was found that I have gallstones. I am on the heal trail for those.. Please tell me why you would avoid a probiotic? I have been eating a lot of yogurt and that seems to help. I've taken probiotics before and didn't seem to have a problem. Hum, I am not sure how "live" the yogurt really is.. I do sometimes eat live yogurt, and have no problems with that too.
There is no hard evidence that taking probiotics in caps forms regardless of the manufacturing process is effective. Its a long shot from eating kefir or drinking Kombucha, which is fermented, to ingesting millions of micro-organisms we are told are similar to what we have in the gut. Its not advised for children or the elderly precisely because of this.
Some tried Kefir and worsened with the side effects which we want to get rid of, such as bloating, gas, abdominal pains etc..
It would be more beneficial to eat prebiotics foods in many cases.
It could even worsen CNS symptoms.
The immune system needs to be strong since those micro=organisms can cause an infection or over stimulate the immune system. This EI doc also wants me to take milk of magnesia for a stool test. I looked up the ingredients and it contains inactive amounts of bleach. I wonder if this might cause a problem. Any thoughts? I called Phillips and they said it is in such trace amounts. I'm not sure what type of LD test they ran, but I bet it's not the most sensitive one. I don't think my EI doctor is up to speed. Need to watch him like s hawk I guess. As always, thank you for your feedback. Take care,[/size] Jill Yes, was offered this too, and passed on that one... If you think it you can tolerate, and will not react, its up to you. In any case, you can do the stool test without taking the milk of magnesia. Many labs don't require patients to take milk of magnesia.What type of stool test is it?
My GP prescribed this a while back, I didn't take it. If I remember corectly, it can deplete of potassium (not good), copper or iron, and folic acid. I can't remember exactly now. But I do remember folic acid which I am severely low, and potassium, (heart failure and arrythmia), and as for iron, (not good either) my ferritin level is very high. So, I didn't see the point in taking it for my digestion. Not mentioning side effects which are same as the symptoms I was complaining of.
No matter how "competent" and "well meaning" are those EI doctors, and other "experts' I would always ask questions and check for myself. Its our health , our lives. Listen to what your body is telling you, this helps a lot.
As I wrote before. I once told my symptoms to an honest doctor. He burst out lauging, saying that all those symptoms could be attributed to at least 40 diseases he knows of, and probably more.. I laughed too
Some try enzymes, pro and prebioitics, vits and supps, for bile, liver, digetion, some alter their diets, others try meds, some do nothing,
Keep us posted,
Beebs
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Post by jmanuel on Jun 12, 2011 13:36:22 GMT -5
Will do. Thank you Beebs and Namid. Best to you both. I'll let you know how things go.
Talk soon, Jill
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Post by beebs on Jun 18, 2012 14:42:08 GMT -5
Choose between water or anti-acids, which are known to trigger Pneumonia high in aluminium content, gastric cancer, Vit B12 deficiency Magnesium Deficiency, soft bones leading to fractures, diarrhea, clostridium infections (see on PubMed & WebMd)) and myopathies. Article below discusses water vs anti acids: Dig Dis Sci. 2008 Dec;53(12):3128-32. Epub 2008 May 13. A glass of water immediately increases gastric pH in healthy subjects. Karamanolis G, Theofanidou I, Yiasemidou M, Giannoulis E, Triantafyllou K, Ladas SD. Source Hepatogastroenteroly Unit, 2nd Department of Internal Medicine-Propaedeutic, "Attikon" University General Hospital, Athens University, Athens, Greece. Abstract Onset of action of antisecretory agents is of pivotal importance for patients with gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD) treated "on-demand." AIM: To study the acute effect of acid-inhibiting drugs and water administration on gastric pH.METHOD: A cross-over study was performed in 12 H. pylori (-), healthy subjects (6 men; mean age: 26 years). A single oral dose of the following agents was received with a wash-out period between each study: a glass of water (200 ml), antacid, ranitidine, omeprazole, esomeprazole, and rabeprazole. Gastric pH was recorded for 6 h after drug intake. RESULTS: Water increased gastric pH >4 in 10/12 subjects after 1 min. The time (median) needed to pH >4 was for: antacid 2 min, ranitidine 50 min, omeprazole 171 min, esomeprazole 151 min, and rabeprazole 175 min. Gastric pH >4 lasted for 3 min after water and for 12 min after antacids; it remained >4 until the end of recording in: 4/12 subjects with ranitidine, 11/12 with rabeprazole, and all with omeprazole and esomeprazole. CONCLUSION: Water and antacid immediately increased gastric pH, while PPIs showed a delayed but prolonged effect compared to ranitidine. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18473176
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